RHD 1954 Samba

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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by kilgore » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:03 am

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If you polish it you need to use a diminishing polish, T cut is too agressive and just keeps cutting.
Thanks dude i havent heard of that term before, i shall google!

Sadly i dint make it to Hessich, and with all that has being going on the bus has taken a little back seat but yesterday i headed down to Waboo to visit Austin and the bus, first time i've seen it in 3-4 weeks and was an emotional reunion :D

Plan was to make a start on the trim, and given ive been fairly heavily involved with everything so far i am keen to learn as much as i can about trimming too! Which i have quickly learnt is not easy at all!!

My job was to make the cards for the front which austin would then trim....

Unbelievably my bus has its original front door cards, kick panels and a few panels for the back, sadly most of which are too far gone to use. But the one of the fronts is in pretty good condition.

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the other not so much

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They are both arguably saveable, more on that later. Neither will be going in the bin.

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Drilled the original pressed studs to remove the door pocket. Barndoor pockets are unique i believe being square/rectangular

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Lovely piece of original unfaded material between the door card and the inside of the pocket.

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Its really hard to take a good photo of the colour match inside but Im pretty chuffed with how close it is to colour and veined grain of the original. If anyone needs anymore brown I have had to buy a whole role and can supply it at cost, from memory its £17 a meter but can check that.

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I stripped the N/S panel so i could get the old card out and disassemble the door pocket so this can be remade

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Screwed the original door card to the table to use as a template

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Cut out and trial fit, this got me all excited all of a sudden felt like it had some sort of trim.

Needs more felting and sanding but all the holes line up perfectly thanks to the original panel :cheers:

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My kick panels getting the same treatment

Original barndoor...

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and one beautifully cute template by Austin!

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pattern i made for the door pocket and first attempt....

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Close but no cigar! first attempt wasnt bad but a new approach is needed to fold the thick card, examining the originals it looks as if they have pressed the inner corners to allow them to fold more easily.

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Fast forward a few hours and the boy wonder has nailed it! a significant improvement over my attempt!!

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Time for some glue

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Kick panels done and ready to fit :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: This is the easy bit apparently too :D :D Thanks so much as usual to Austin at Waboo!! Amazingly patient with all my dumb questions!! Looking for a trimmer guys? I seriously cant recommend them enough!! more updates next week!!

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Post by Who.Me? » Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:56 pm

That's interesting. What material did you use for the grained material in the door pockets? It looks like trim board/millboard. I got a sample of trimboard from Martrim. The graining was noticeably different from the headlining cards on my '56 single cab though.

Did VW change the pattern between barn doors and later splits?

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Post by oilyragg » Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:00 pm

Great stuff, loving the updates!

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Post by miles » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:19 pm

I love the way want to keep the bits of original trim. First class :)
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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by vanbloke » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:43 am

Them door cards are looking epic, what is the actual board you are using for re-creating the door cards dude? it looks like a kind of cardboard, is it a special order or an off the shelf thing?

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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by kilgore » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:17 pm

Who.Me? wrote:
Sat Jul 08, 2017 6:56 pm
That's interesting. What material did you use for the grained material in the door pockets? It looks like trim board/millboard. I got a sample of trimboard from Martrim. The graining was noticeably different from the headlining cards on my '56 single cab though.

Did VW change the pattern between barn doors and later splits?
I believe it is just the standard trim board Austin uses for all his cards, i looked at my original trim panels in my single cab today and its identical to that. As to the the difference between that and barndoors im not too sure. Mine is a late bus in barndoor terms and does share many similar parts to early "normal" splits. Part numbers start 211 instead of 29 etc etc so its quite possible they were the same.
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:19 pm
I love the way want to keep the bits of original trim. First class :)
Thanks dude, there are a coupe of panels that Austin has restored for me and we actually be going back in with the new trim. A little nod to the heritage.
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Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:00 pm
Great stuff, loving the updates!
thanks buddy :cheers: :cheers:
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Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:43 am
Them door cards are looking epic, what is the actual board you are using for re-creating the door cards dude? it looks like a kind of cardboard, is it a special order or an off the shelf thing?
thanks mate, i can find out exactly what it is for you if you need some? It is basically very thick grained card board.


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Post by spit nolan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:32 pm

Looks great! Don't use all the roll save me enough :D
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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by kilgore » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:21 am

spit nolan wrote:
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Looks great! Don't use all the roll save me enough :D
Thanks dude!! Plenty left for you too :D Think I have 12 meters left even after yours!

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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by kilgore » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:52 am

A few updates from Austin yesterday. His obsessive level of detail is truly inspiring. His desire to get it spot on even surprises me!

The front seat has been started, its the original front seat thanks to him and Tom at Waboo. I thought it was too far gone and now looks like new!!

Lined with an original style hessian base

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Then waxed horsehair on top :cheers: :cheers:

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The conversation then turned to the depth of the pleats on the seat :D :D Something i hadn't considered at all. We have some remnants of the originals left but after comparing lots and lots of photos of originals and re-trimmed seats it is very difficult to tell which is correct.

two options basically shallow and deeper pleats. Austin decided to make up some samples

Deeper.....

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Shallow....

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Original interior with deep pleats

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and what appears to be shallower ones

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We have decided to go with the slightly deeper version than this. If it turns out to be wrong it can be changed in the future. Perhaps more controversially than all of this is the fact i'm trimming my seats in brown and not black and red, i'm sure the purists will hate that, but i'm also sure the purists probably hate my ride height anyway :D :twisted: I cant get my head around the fact the black and red reminds me of 80's maestro's and ford escorts. If it looks horrible ill change it later but i'm pretty sure you could have ordered it this way back in the day as its the same as a brown brown standard!

So on to the seat fabric, hopefully have something resembling a trimmed seat tomorrow.

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Post by kilgore » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:21 pm

fast forward 24 hours and the front back rest is done and looking fantastic i think!! super super chuffed with it! So excited to see how the rest will look.

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Austins cracking on with the base this afternoon

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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by carl12 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:09 pm

Looks Great Mate
Mine said on birth cert brown seats so it was a special order back in the day.

Who cares what people say these purists dont drive their buses so whats the point.

I changed mine back to black with red piping lol.

I think my birth cert was wrong as when mine was found it had back red seats

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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by kilgore » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:54 pm

carl12 wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:09 pm
Looks Great Mate
Mine said on birth cert brown seats so it was a special order back in the day.

Who cares what people say these purists dont drive their buses so whats the point.

I changed mine back to black with red piping lol.

I think my birth cert was wrong as when mine was found it had back red seats

Catch up soon
Thanks buddy, funnily enough was chatting to matt earlier and he mentioned yours said that on the birth certificate.

Well for the time being its going to be brown :D

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Post by type21f » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:02 pm

Your bus your choice..
After all the customer COULD choose..
Will look Amazing..
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Re: RHD 1954 Samba

Post by kilgore » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:24 pm

type21f wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:02 pm
Your bus your choice..
After all the customer COULD choose..
Will look Amazing..
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Thanks dude! im pretty excited. Austin sent me a few more snaps this evening. May need to move the seat mount a little as its super tight! We'll see!

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Post by type21f » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:36 pm

Ah yes..
May need to move the seat back support or modify to account for need to support higher..
Height of tubs has effected the alignment of back and base.
Seat base in pictures should be further back... do need same angle.
Same position of base but back support higher?
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