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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by JonnyCJ » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am

Very helpful- thanks all.

What’s the cost and is it just a case of removing old dizzy and installing the 123 ?

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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by vwJim » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:45 pm

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Looks a good bit of kit!

Another thing to add to the shopping list :lol:
An exhaust that doesn't bang on the bumper irons first...
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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by ScottyN » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:19 pm

vwJim wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:45 pm
ScottyN wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:08 pm
Looks a good bit of kit!

Another thing to add to the shopping list :lol:
An exhaust that doesn't bang on the bumper irons first...
All in good time (and not through want of trying!) :lol:

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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by Bren Ralls » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:17 am

JonnyCJ wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am
Very helpful- thanks all.

What’s the cost and is it just a case of removing old dizzy and installing the 123 ?
Various suppliers & differnt costs, got mine from Dan Simpson.
Simple to fit remove old and replace with 123.
Follow instructions which are easy which gets engine running.
Time with timing gun and your there, has a basic tune/ curve set as std or play with your own.

Dan gave me a set up he’d been sent from a rolling road test which I used and works a treat.

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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by vwJim » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:45 pm

Bren Ralls wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:17 am
JonnyCJ wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am
Very helpful- thanks all.

What’s the cost and is it just a case of removing old dizzy and installing the 123 ?
Various suppliers & differnt costs, got mine from Dan Simpson.
Simple to fit remove old and replace with 123.
Follow instructions which are easy which gets engine running.
Time with timing gun and your there, has a basic tune/ curve set as std or play with your own.

Dan gave me a set up he’d been sent from a rolling road test which I used and works a treat.
Bren did you alter the dizzy position with a timing light like you would with a stock dizzy?
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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by Bren Ralls » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:16 pm

vwJim wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:45 pm
Bren Ralls wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:17 am
JonnyCJ wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am
Very helpful- thanks all.

What’s the cost and is it just a case of removing old dizzy and installing the 123 ?
Various suppliers & differnt costs, got mine from Dan Simpson.
Simple to fit remove old and replace with 123.
Follow instructions which are easy which gets engine running.
Time with timing gun and your there, has a basic tune/ curve set as std or play with your own.

Dan gave me a set up he’d been sent from a rolling road test which I used and works a treat.
Bren did you alter the dizzy position with a timing light like you would with a stock dizzy?
Short answer yes

Long answer & way it was explained

Set crank tdc and fit 123 distributor. Turn the distributor till wires exit in position you want then align green light to slot with red and blue wire connected. Rotor arm will then align what is new number 1 lead.

The green light will indicate tdc and 0 advance. Connect black now and fire up engine, tick over will be very low as advance is 0
Time as normal to desired advance which was 7.5 which brings up revs. The programmed curve then does its magic.

Well think that’s the right way runs a dream for me.

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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by joannedoyle » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:09 pm

Bren Ralls wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:17 am
JonnyCJ wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am
Very helpful- thanks all.

What’s the cost and is it just a case of removing old dizzy and installing the 123 ?

Dan gave me a set up he’d been sent from a rolling road test which I used and works a treat.
Hi bren
Is there any chance you can put up the screen shot of your curve/ vac settings for others to play about with :)
Cheers
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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by Bren Ralls » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:03 pm

joannedoyle wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:09 pm
Bren Ralls wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:17 am
JonnyCJ wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am
Very helpful- thanks all.

What’s the cost and is it just a case of removing old dizzy and installing the 123 ?

Dan gave me a set up he’d been sent from a rolling road test which I used and works a treat.
Hi bren
Is there any chance you can put up the screen shot of your curve/ vac settings for others to play about with :)
Cheers
Simon
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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by vwJim » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:38 pm

Bren you got the same duff advice as I did initially then.

That was correct up to the point of timing as per normal....

Now you've moved, the 123 no longer knows where TDC is, so the app display won't be telling the correct figures.

Once you set the position with the LED, (ie how the instructions tell you how to do it), you don't move it. You change the advance & manifold pressure curves.
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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by joannedoyle » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:07 pm

Bren Ralls wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:03 pm
joannedoyle wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:09 pm
Bren Ralls wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:17 am



Dan gave me a set up he’d been sent from a rolling road test which I used and works a treat.
Hi bren
Is there any chance you can put up the screen shot of your curve/ vac settings for others to play about with :)
Cheers
Simon
Cheers
I got the same one off dan but it’s doesn’t work for my 1776.twin dells.
Idle was rough at 0 {tic) and I found that the total advance went up towards 40 degrees st 3000rpm. :(
Jim’s curve run nice and smooth on mine when I tried it the other day.
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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by Bren Ralls » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:15 pm

vwJim wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:38 pm
Bren you got the same duff advice as I did initially then.

That was correct up to the point of timing as per normal....

Now you've moved, the 123 no longer knows where TDC is, so the app display won't be telling the correct figures.

Once you set the position with the LED, (ie how the instructions tell you how to do it), you don't move it. You change the advance & manifold pressure curves.
Odd as it works but see what you mean, and as per your posted graph we’re ive gone wrong. Will have a try on your graph tomorrow.

Thanks

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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by Bren Ralls » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:19 pm

joannedoyle wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:07 pm
Bren Ralls wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:03 pm
joannedoyle wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:09 pm


Hi bren
Is there any chance you can put up the screen shot of your curve/ vac settings for others to play about with :)
Cheers
Simon
Cheers
I got the same one off dan but it’s doesn’t work for my 1776.twin dells.
Idle was rough at 0 {tic) and I found that the total advance went up towards 40 degrees st 3000rpm. :(
Jim’s curve run nice and smooth on mine when I tried it the other day.
Simon
I never put the timing gun on it other than tick over so guess I would also be over the 28 degrees I thought I was running.
Cheers

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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by vwJim » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:45 pm

As long as the LED position is correct, then the 123 will know where TDC is.

The either use the App or a timing light to adjust the the two curves to get the timing correct. Don't physically move the 123's body.

I was given incorrect advice and it made it run really rough with over advance at cruising speeds.

If you stick to what the manual tells you, and ignore what the salesman tells you, then you won't be far off.
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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by Bren Ralls » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:43 pm

vwJim wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:45 pm
As long as the LED position is correct, then the 123 will know where TDC is.

The either use the App or a timing light to adjust the the two curves to get the timing correct. Don't physically move the 123's body.

I was given incorrect advice and it made it run really rough with over advance at cruising speeds.

If you stick to what the manual tells you, and ignore what the salesman tells you, then you won't be far off.
Followed your setup and runs sweet both to gauge and timing gun now, with both showing same reading. Graph and advice given or possibly me not fully understanding meant it over advanced getting hot.
Power delivery is far smoother than my old 009 distributor so seems a totally different engine..

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Re: 123ignition tune+

Post by vwJim » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:17 pm

A good result then.
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