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Wiper arms & blades

Post by John82 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:25 am

Do all ORIGINAL wiper arms & blades fit all models of VW 1949-1967?
I have a 67 VW van. I know that there are different types...

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Post by Who.Me? » Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:46 pm

If you fit them as a matched set (base, arm and blade), then I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

If you have missmatched parts you may have problems...

Arms changed from round arms (barndoor era) to narrow, flat arms (early post-barndoor) to wider, flat arms (not sure what year they switched to those) during production and the bases and blades were changed to match.

Round arms need a round arm base and blade.

Later wide, flat arms won't fit in an early (narrow, flat arm) base without modification. Trust me on that :?, I had to grind the ends of a set of wide arms to make them narrow enough to fit in the early narrow-arm bases that are correct for my '56 truck. You can't tell by looking though.

Narrow, flat arms will fit in the wide, flat arm bases, but I'd also guess that they'd work loose over time as they'd only be held in place by the grub screws (the slot they fit in stops lateral movement, if they're too narrow for the slot, they could wobble from side to side).

I don't think the pivots changed though, so you could fit a matched set to any year.

If you buy repro parts, I think you'll find they're all late wide, flat arms with the matching bases and blades.


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Re: Wiper arms & blades

Post by John82 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:16 pm

Who.Me? wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:46 pm
If you fit them as a matched set (base, arm and blade), then I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.

If you have missmatched parts you may have problems...

Arms changed from round arms (barndoor era) to narrow, flat arms (early post-barndoor) to wider, flat arms (not sure what year they switched to those) during production and the bases and blades were changed to match.

Round arms need a round arm base and blade.

Later wide, flat arms won't fit in an early (narrow, flat arm) base without modification. Trust me on that :?, I had to grind the ends of a set of wide arms to make them narrow enough to fit in the early narrow-arm bases that are correct for my '56 truck. You can't tell by looking though.

Narrow, flat arms will fit in the wide, flat arm bases, but I'd also guess that they'd work loose over time as they'd only be held in place by the grub screws (the slot they fit in stops lateral movement, if they're too narrow for the slot, they could wobble from side to side).

I don't think the pivots changed though, so you could fit a matched set to any year.

If you buy repro parts, I think you'll find they're all late wide, flat arms with the matching bases and blades.
I want to buy a set!
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Post by type21f » Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:55 am

The pictured item above is not a split screen item. Beetle Bay not sure.
They will no doubt fit.. Morris Minor units will fit.

These are late long bodied and wide arms and correct length wiper blades fitted to my September 64 Devon Caravette.
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Re: Wiper arms & blades

Post by John82 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:00 am

type21f wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 6:55 am
The pictured item above is not a split screen item. Beetle Bay not sure.
They will no doubt fit.. Morris Minor units will fit.

These are late long bodied and wide arms and correct length wiper blades fitted to my September 64 Devon Caravette.
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Thank you very much type21f for your advice!

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Post by type21f » Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:19 am

When you look at the bodies you will see most sold are short bodies. Try and find the late long bodies. These are said to have stronger springs and apply greater pressure. I bought an NOS set from fastfreddy at a show. Still in OG wrapping. The repro blades generally available are CRAP. So seek and check quality..
The repros are often loose at the mount so flop about. I bought some WCM and they were poor.
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Re: Wiper arms & blades

Post by John82 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:16 pm

type21f wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:19 am
When you look at the bodies you will see most sold are short bodies. Try and find the late long bodies. These are said to have stronger springs and apply greater pressure. I bought an NOS set from fastfreddy at a show. Still in OG wrapping. The repro blades generally available are CRAP. So seek and check quality..
The repros are often loose at the mount so flop about. I bought some WCM and they were poor.
These are ok?
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Post by type21f » Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:22 pm

Yes..
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Post by ted698 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:35 pm

I bought some new WW blades and they were rubbish... worse than the ones I took off!!... I bought some 11” stainless Morris minor articulated blades that someone on here recommend .... they have a modern style blade in them, they literally just push on to the standard arms. let’s just say they transformed my drive home from Tenby in torrential rain all the way yesterday.... thanks for the tip who ever it was 👍

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Post by type21f » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:01 pm

ted698 wrote:I bought some new WW blades and they were rubbish... worse than the ones I took off!!... I bought some 11” stainless Morris minor articulated blades that someone on here recommend .... they have a modern style blade in them, they literally just push on to the standard arms. let’s just say they transformed my drive home from Tenby in torrential rain all the way yesterday.... thanks for the tip who ever it was Image
QUOTE type21f " They will no doubt fit.. Morris Minor units will fit. QUOTE...
Lol I also are ideas with pride..
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Yes WW Blades are CRAP!
I did strip the rubbers out of the ones I bought and Frankenwipered a set!
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Post by ted698 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:10 pm

Hi Graham, yes I looked at trying to remove the hard rubber strip from the WW blades and trying to fit a more modern rubber blade into a standard split wiper blade body.... be interested in how you did it... as the Morris units don’t really look like split screen wipers... but they work a million times better 👍
I was thinking of trying to pry the folded steel backbone apart to release the hard rubber, then cutting down a modern rubber profile where the spring steel strips fit in thin enough to clamp back into the original backbone.
The potential for failure is high... hahahahaha 😝

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Post by type21f » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:09 am

Exactly High Failure rate.
My graft was exactly that. Take an old blade and remove the pivot pin and then remove the rubber from the spine. I used an old meat cleaver to open the spine by clamping the blade into the open edge of the spine in a large vice with wide clamping jaw plates.
The rubber blade gripped piece actually has a hole through it where the pin goes!
I then removed the rubber and grafted in a replacement piece of rubber from a spurious modern blade trimmed to fit.
I then clamped the spine shut using the vice long jaw faces.
Replacing the mounting clip with a pin was the challenge.
Most of the repro blades are awful just here. They chatter on the screen because they are loose.
I tried several goes at pinning and did have a modicum of success.
Did not last long though my pin seemed too soft because it soon flapped n chartered. Still have it somewhere.
Picked up a set of NOS blades soon afterwards at an autojumble.
Expensive but they work!
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Re: Wiper arms & blades

Post by John82 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:20 pm

type21f wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:09 am
Exactly High Failure rate.
My graft was exactly that. Take an old blade and remove the pivot pin and then remove the rubber from the spine. I used an old meat cleaver to open the spine by clamping the blade into the open edge of the spine in a large vice with wide clamping jaw plates.
The rubber blade gripped piece actually has a hole through it where the pin goes!
I then removed the rubber and grafted in a replacement piece of rubber from a spurious modern blade trimmed to fit.
I then clamped the spine shut using the vice long jaw faces.
Replacing the mounting clip with a pin was the challenge.
Most of the repro blades are awful just here. They chatter on the screen because they are loose.
I tried several goes at pinning and did have a modicum of success.
Did not last long though my pin seemed too soft because it soon flapped n chartered. Still have it somewhere.
Picked up a set of NOS blades soon afterwards at an autojumble.
Expensive but they work!
Do you know anco wiper blades? Made in UK?! Are them ok?

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