Another unit needing identification ;)

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Another unit needing identification ;)

Post by russbmx » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:32 pm

I have been collecting devon bits mostly 64/65 and I was told this piece has come from a 65? I didn’t think it was an original piece but it does have a number stamped on the lid....

Any info would be greatly appreciated as always
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Re: Another unit needing identification ;)

Post by clymoj » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:49 pm

It may be a passenger side rear-facing seat from a Torvette

Have a look at google images for Torvette and Torvette Spaceway interiors as it won’t let me post any for some reason
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Post by type21f » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:51 am

Ha..
both my threads..
Yes Jonathan..
Correct that piece is as shown.
There would have been two location pegs. Have pi ture of one somewhere..
Mark Buckingham's bus is the one shown in the bed making thread..
So I have access to minute details anyone may require..
Ted698 and I had an interesting hour peeking at the unique features of Mark' Velvet Green 66 Spaceway kombi whilst at Avoncroft VW meet this year..
Great all OG bus..

https://goo.gl/images/Md9Uyw
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For anyone interested in the Devon... Torvette Walkthrough layout..
I actually have an alloy cooker case and "week-end" cooker in my Cooker Hospital being cleaned up. ahem..
Will be passing this forwards..in due course..




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Re: Another unit needing identification ;)

Post by russbmx » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:17 pm

Thank you both for your help :thumbright:
I’m slowly gathering devon bits ready to template from to make a lhd version.
I won’t be needing this bit tho, it was to nice to turn down tho :lol:


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Post by russbmx » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:28 pm

Another question, mainly because I’m curious...

I have a few devon items from a 64, cooker unit, wardrobe, table and both benches. Is there any reason they made the cooker unit with a 45 degree angle section on the corner rather that a normal square corner? Also what years would have had this cooker unit?

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Post by type21f » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:46 pm

Probably their idea of avoiding a sharp corner..
Late 1963 from September 1963 to mske it 1964MY so let us say..
Early 1964..
I THINK..




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Post by clymoj » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:21 pm

Yep 1964 one year only this one. First year of the cooker there, it was a sink unit up until 63 with the cooker on the door instead.

I also speculated knee protection ...which they then decided was too expensive so aborted back to a simple square corner for 65 onwards in typical Devon fashion.

The 65 onwards unit doesn’t have a space to the right of the cooker from what I remember so perhaps the whole unit is less deep by this amount? If they modelled the 64 unit directly on the 63 then it needed that space for the tap but I presume the tap was down on the seat by 64?

Boyden and Maddison know more about these ones than I do, it’s the only year I’ve never owned.

I notice yours has been modified a little with an ashtray and some larger bolts so its previous owner obviously wasn’t bothered about catching their knees and coat tails on it.

I also notice you’ve got white-ish Formica tops which were usually only used up until 61.
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Post by type21f » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:41 pm

I need a beer...
Clymoj..
OK.
True 65 has no space at the front..
BUT
65 did have a space at the back of the cooker for storing of pots n pans and a cut out in the rear seat back to allow the use of the space at the end of the leg cupboard.
Sadly my PO did away with my 65MY cooker and flattened the steel divider so he could use a more modern (efficient?) cooker..
I am attempting to return mine to OG..
pictures coming..

beer?



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Post by russbmx » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:28 pm

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Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:21 pm
Yep 1964 one year only this one. First year of the cooker there, it was a sink unit up until 63 with the cooker on the door instead.

I also speculated knee protection ...which they then decided was too expensive so aborted back to a simple square corner for 65 onwards in typical Devon fashion.

The 65 onwards unit doesn’t have a space to the right of the cooker from what I remember so perhaps the whole unit is less deep by this amount? If they modelled the 64 unit directly on the 63 then it needed that space for the tap but I presume the tap was down on the seat by 64?

Boyden and Maddison know more about these ones than I do, it’s the only year I’ve never owned.

I notice yours has been modified a little with an ashtray and some larger bolts so its previous owner obviously wasn’t bothered about catching their knees and coat tails on it.

I also notice you’ve got white-ish Formica tops which were usually only used up until 61.

Yep your right there is a small space to the right of the cooker which as you say would be where the tap was on earlier models.

The previous owner had the original bus (64 samba delux) but he removed it to fit a modern interior. It’s definitely been messed about with and repaired badly in the past. The rear bench had its original back but the front bench looks to be a home made (badly cut piece of ply) job. What sort of back rest would the rear facing bench originally have?
Someone has also added bits of ply where the fridge would have been :roll:

Strange about the white tops. The table is the same.
I’m pretty sure I have photos of it all in the bus.....
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Post by type21f » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:15 am

Had a chance to look closely at pictures of samba with that interior fitted.

I would say that interior was not original to that bus. Just saying brcause you commented on modifications..


The front of the rear seat is correct for the year with "legs" at each end but it has been cut to clear the heater log, instead of the Devon method of cutting and shortening the supply pipe and sitting it in a position further back. It looks like someone cut to follow the 1966 with a curved profile cut out.

No door units... would have been a one year only bathroom cabinet on rear cargo door and crockery unit on front.
Sliding bolts replaced and added to top drop down flap.
Support added to lid..
etc. etc.
No table mounting on long side panel
Wood finish leg no foot
No awning rail...did De luxe microbus Samba Devons even have them?
Plain end to seat no tank or pump...could have been open with plastic bottles

Very saveable..




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Post by russbmx » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:15 pm

type21f wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:15 am
Had a chance to look closely at pictures of samba with that interior fitted.

I would say that interior was not original to that bus. Just saying brcause you commented on modifications..


The front of the rear seat is correct for the year with "legs" at each end but it has been cut to clear the heater log, instead of the Devon method of cutting and shortening the supply pipe and sitting it in a position further back. It looks like someone cut to follow the 1966 with a curved profile cut out.

No door units... would have been a one year only bathroom cabinet on rear cargo door and crockery unit on front.
Sliding bolts replaced and added to top drop down flap.
Support added to lid..
etc. etc.
No table mounting on long side panel
Wood finish leg no foot
No awning rail...did De luxe microbus Samba Devons even have them?
Plain end to seat no tank or pump...could have been open with plastic bottles

Very saveable..

I did wonder as like you say it’s missing door units etc. The chap seemed to think it was original but he didn’t really know much about the interior.
Yeah It’s definitely savable although I’m just using it to copy from and make lhd interior.

I don’t suppose you have any photos/details/links for a 64 Interior? Iv had a look on google but it brings up so many different interiors :lol:
I’m not planning on an exact copy but it would be nice to see one. Iv actually got a 62 but I quite like this 64 cooker unit so I plan to copy it.

Also... were all the interiors made using quarter sawn oak? If so is there any reason for this?


Ps, cheers for taking the time to answer my questions by the way it’s greatly appreciated

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Post by type21f » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:22 pm

I have pictures of an actual LHD Devon Caravette interior bought by Rippers a poster on here..
He sought to verify it was a LHD OG interior.....which it was...even signed and marked and dated as LHD..
The cutting of oak veneer is either crown cut or quarter cut veneer.
If you google you will see that quarter cut brings out an effect called mudullary rays..
This is like a "sparkle" effect which is most attractive.
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Post by russbmx » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:12 pm

type21f wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:22 pm
I have pictures of an actual LHD Devon Caravette interior bought by Rippers a poster on here..
He sought to verify it was a LHD OG interior.....which it was...even signed and marked and dated as LHD..
The cutting of oak veneer is either crown cut or quarter cut veneer.
If you google you will see that quarter cut brings out an effect called mudullary rays..
This is like a "sparkle" effect which is most attractive.

That would be cool to see those pics. What year is his interior? I didn’t realise they made a lhd version.

Sorry I meant did they always use quarter sawn for the interiors?

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Post by type21f » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:34 pm

Well.. early on Devon made interiors for customer's buses..
Their first brochure 1956 1957 shows a barndoor bus built a few years before.
Early years customers could take their buses to be converted.
It is recorded that US airmen could order a bare bus from VW and collect it from the factory. They could order LHD Westy conversions too and have them shipped home.
Several US (Senior officers?) bought LHD buses drove them in Germany drove them to UK and then had them converted by Devon and shipped back to USA.
Known early example A67MAN 1958 LHD mk111 Caravette.
Rippers managed fo find on eBay UK a LHD 1964 interior which was for sale because the owner had bought it by mistake believing it to be RHD.

I will send by PM links n pictures.
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