can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

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can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by spiv » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:08 pm

i aint been into the vw scene for long, mostly been into bikes all my days, used to goin thru the lights at 120+ on the back wheel ( suzi gsx1400 ) usually 13ish secs, two wheels down sub 11s.
gettin old now n the bones take longer to heal and my kids are gettin up now tamara 6 n savannah 5 so i sold the bike n treated myself to a splitty .
shes got a 1700 wi big ole twin 40 delortoes n goes nae bad? she spat a spark plug oot on the way back fae france at the dartford tunnel after five weeks away wi ma kids (amazin ) so she aint goin so great the noo? gonni get in aboot er soon tho n couldnt halp but notice you are all 2000 an above? a reckon she wont be far away the way she was , maybe flow the heads? wot say you guys, maybe ? or as much chance as a one legged man in an arse kickin competition ?


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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by richierich37 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:57 pm

yes or no, depending on how it has been built!

also the power to weight ratio counts for quick times.

i have a 2165cc that will just run a sub 18 with a fully loaded camping interior.

your 1700cc would need to be wild to run a sub 18 sec!

hope this asks your question. :wink:
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by vwJim » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:57 pm

will also depend on the gearbox ratio's.

Raced against a 1776cc, and that did 15's but it was a stripped out panel with a race 'box.
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by tufty65 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:30 pm

didnt Pauls old linde panel have a blueprinted (1600) that was rapid a few years back.
Theres no way a stockish 1700 will ever get close but fully balanced etc could do quite easily I reckon. :wink:
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by jukka » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:13 am

I am the one who raced with Jim...
My mouse motor is a 1776 with appx 155 hp, weight of the bus with me is 1050 kg, you can see the 15,22 in the video section on this site.
Race tranny but no slicks.
So it is possible but some true power is needed.

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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by 23A » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:05 am

..hmm..so what is the MINIMUM power requirement, capacity aside, reckoned to run sub 18?
I have an empty panel & as the box handled the previous 1835 Turbo antics, i should hope its up to the job... :? :twisted:
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by orb » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:10 am

I would say in a samba 110-120BHP as a minimum - maybe a little less in a panel or combi with less glass.
Mine ran a 17.6 with 122bhp at the crank, a stock clutch (so a little slippage) and a slow shifter (my new berg should be worth half a second)

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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by 23A » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:29 am

orb wrote:I would say in a samba 110-120BHP as a minimum - maybe a little less in a panel or combi with less glass.
Mine ran a 17.6 with 122bhp at the crank, a stock clutch (so a little slippage) and a slow shifter (my new berg should be worth half a second)

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..may be doable then..(JUST 8O :roll: :twisted: )..
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by vwJim » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:36 am

23A wrote:
orb wrote:I would say in a samba 110-120BHP as a minimum - maybe a little less in a panel or combi with less glass.
Mine ran a 17.6 with 122bhp at the crank, a stock clutch (so a little slippage) and a slow shifter (my new berg should be worth half a second)

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..may be doable then..(JUST 8O :roll: :twisted: )..
If you have a heavy foot, and don't have a really tall gearbox, then there's a good chance Tim. You been on the RR yet?
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by 23A » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:01 am

vwjim wrote:
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orb wrote:I would say in a samba 110-120BHP as a minimum - maybe a little less in a panel or combi with less glass.
Mine ran a 17.6 with 122bhp at the crank, a stock clutch (so a little slippage) and a slow shifter (my new berg should be worth half a second)

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..may be doable then..(JUST 8O :roll: :twisted: )..
If you have a heavy foot, and don't have a really tall gearbox, then there's a good chance Tim. You been on the RR yet?
..yeah :oops: ..NOT quite as expected, but 120 bhp, nonetheless; 30% more than when it went in :D 8)
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by vwJim » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:04 am

Worth the session then. 8) Does it feel any different than before? How's it compare on the road to the last engine?
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Post by 23A » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:59 am

vwjim wrote:Worth the session then. 8) Does it feel any different than before? How's it compare on the road to the last engine?
..yeah- way smoother, & you can really feel the steps in power.. :twisted:
..the last engine , in Beltek, was a1500 sp :twisted: ...the 1776 in the 56 had a smoother spread of power , but didn't feel anything like as gutsy..
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by orb » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:03 pm

..yeah :oops: ..NOT quite as expected, but 120 bhp, nonetheless; 30% more than when it went in :D 8)[/quote]


120 in your bus - easy sub 18 Tim :wink:

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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by alexthompson » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:41 pm

Sorry for the thread hijack but Im looking to get into the BWA myself this year, but with a smallish engine.

Ive got 58 Panelvan with no interior as yet. My finished setup will be;

1776
CB Performance turbo setup with dual weber 44 IDF's
Engle 120 Cam
Scwhitzer S2 turbo
Mallory unilite distributor
Kennedy Clutch

Prostreet Spec box
3.78 1st gear
0.82 4th Gear
3.88 R&P

CSP Shifter

Bear in mind that I have never been the 1/4 mile so I am bound to be crap till I find my feet, do people reckon I should be able to run sub 18's with the above setup? I want to try and do this before I add extra weight with the interior.

Oh, forgot to add, theres a bi of extra weight from my arse! :roll:

Cheers in advance,
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Re: can a 1700 do sub 18s ?

Post by pye1man » Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:54 pm

alexthompson wrote:Sorry for the thread hijack but Im looking to get into the BWA myself this year, but with a smallish engine.

Ive got 58 Panelvan with no interior as yet. My finished setup will be;

1776
CB Performance turbo setup with dual weber 44 IDF's
Engle 120 Cam
Scwhitzer S2 turbo
Mallory unilite distributor
Kennedy Clutch

Prostreet Spec box
3.78 1st gear
0.82 4th Gear
3.88 R&P

CSP Shifter

Bear in mind that I have never been the 1/4 mile so I am bound to be crap till I find my feet, do people reckon I should be able to run sub 18's with the above setup? I want to try and do this before I add extra weight with the interior.

Oh, forgot to add, theres a bi of extra weight from my arse! :roll:

Cheers in advance,
Al.

Hi Alex,

I would said without the turbo you'd have to cain it to get in but it would still be possible...With the turbo I would say you were'nt trying hard enough if you could'nt :D When are you running mate? and of course good luck!!!

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