VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by funkyfreakapotomus » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:16 pm

So who is selling safe and good quality stuff??
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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by Giant » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:10 pm

funkyfreakapotomus wrote:So who is selling safe and good quality stuff??
I think Machine 7. Try this:

http://www.machine7.com/product.php?xPr ... 3&xSec=344

The only thing is that it is not braided so doesn't look the part.

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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by funkyfreakapotomus » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:41 pm

Better to be safe though I think!!
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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by funkyfreakapotomus » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:54 am

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Post by OP » Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:13 pm

funkyfreakapotomus wrote:Anyone seen or used this??

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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by Marvelwear » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:16 pm

You of course base your statement on the fact that No one every proved they work :-)I think they are right up there with electric turbo chargers and chocolate teapots.Problem is, never proved it worked and never will.They just sound like they might. Good marketing?been around for years.
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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by Rigamortiz » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:37 pm

Machine7 have definitely done their homework on this one. I fitted some to my bus not long ago; the 3 metres was a good length, I was surprised it used so much to be honest!

"This is a modern high specification fuel hose, which is an ideal upgrade / replacement hose for all Air-Cooled vehicles, including Beetle, Ghia, Type-3 & Buses.

The specification is referred to as SAE J30 R9, and is used on modern fuel injection vehicles, it is designed to withstand modern unleaded fuels.
Over recent years, fuel at the pump has been replaced with a grade referred to as E5. It contains a 5% mix of Ethanol. The Ethanol mix is better for the environment, but unfortunately degrades rubber fuel hoses. There are current government proposals to change unleaded fuels to E10, with 10% Ethanol. SAE J30 R9 fuel hose is designed to withstand the level of Ethanol in E5 and E10 fuels.

Please note, we no longer stock original style cloth braided fuel hose, as the SAE J30 R9 is much safer. Fuel hoses should be checked every few months, and replaced, if there are any signs of degradation. We believe that anybody using the old style cloth (or stainless) braided should now upgrade to the more modern higher specification. It is far better to be safe.

The hose has a 5.6mm internal bore, which is ideal for all standard installations as well as most twin carburettor set-ups.
The external diameter is 12.6mm, which is larger than the original cloth braid hose, so you will to use larger clips. We keep suitable clips in stock, Item code 054.690.50.

This hose is black, and is printed with W = SAE J30 R9 FUEL INJECTION 5.6MM.
Designed to be used on monder Fuel Injected vehicles, but is obviously compatable with Carburettor Fuel Systems, as found on Air-Cooled vehicles.

The Bundle contains 3 metres of hose, which should be sufficient to replace all of the flexible hose normally founds on all Air-Cooled models, plus a replacement fuel filter, and a set of 10 stainless hose clips of the correct size for this hose."


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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by funkyfreakapotomus » Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:18 am

Marvelwear wrote:You of course base your statement on the fact that No one every proved they work :-)I think they are right up there with electric turbo chargers and chocolate teapots.Problem is, never proved it worked and never will.They just sound like they might. Good marketing?been around for years.

So I will assume they are crap then lol!!!
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Post by Sjtw » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:05 pm

I had this fitted along with a cutoff solenoid.
Very happy.
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Post by Alex VW Heritage » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:12 am

Giant wrote:
funkyfreakapotomus wrote:So who is selling safe and good quality stuff??
I think Machine 7. Try this:

http://www.machine7.com/product.php?xPr ... 3&xSec=344

The only thing is that it is not braided so doesn't look the part.

Our hose is braided line and is rated to deal with E10 Fuel.

5mm:
http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_spares_Fue ... _45515.htm

7mm:
http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_spares_Fue ... 182490.htm
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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by vw aircooled works » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:49 am

VW Aircooled Works - E100 biofuel line

Just picked up on this thread and see that other businesses with interest have commented so feel fair to add my comment.

We were actually the first to offer only ethanol resistant fuel line and have never offered the braided product due to testing we carried out at our workshop. We offer R9 fuel line and also E100 biofuel line.

It is correct to say that R9 fuel line will give increased level of safety over braided line with no specification. However, care should still be taken when fitting this. Basically this fuel line is rubber based so will be prone over time to attack from ethanol. Lifetime of this product in a modern car is 5 years when the car is used daily. However, as are vans tend to stand over winter this can be reduced as the ethanol vaporizes through the wall of the line taking with it the natural oils so making it harden.

We have launched on our website and at VW shows this season a non-rubber based fuel line that is resistant to 100% ethanol as well as being re-enforced and heat resistant. This fuel line is basically FIT AND FORGET. Check out our article Worst Nightmare in ISSUE 7 HAYBURNER.

Biofuel kits for single carb, twin carb running on both std 6mm tails and aftermarket 8mm tails are available and we can make up any kits to order. Do not assume that suppliers will give you the correct fuel line for your engine, internal diameter of fuel hose is critical the fuel clips are not what should hold the hose it should have grip force.

Important thing to remember is that the fuel being used today is modern mixture not what VW designed their engines around and as such we bring modern safety products to the VW classic scene. Our Fuel cut off solenoids with E100 biofuel hose are the ultimate safety feature for fuel delivery.

Please check out our for sale thread offering discount on webshop prices. Our website is:

http://www.vwaircooledworks.co.uk/VWACW---Shop.html

We are happy to give guidance and chat to people to ensure no more vans go up in flames.

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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by Evil Sid » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:59 pm

I guess there are readily available alternatives out there where you don't have to trust the suppliers' word, like braided PFTE hose or even using solid piping. I've used PFTE hose in the past and as well as not reacting to the fuel in turbo and high fuel pressure applications it has less expansion than rubber even braided I believe.
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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by HairyYeti » Sun Dec 29, 2013 10:29 pm

We've been working on drawing awareness to this issue for years - our FAQ on the issue is here :

http://www.volksbolts.com/faq/fuelhose.htm

We recommend using established European manufacturers such as CODAN of Denmark as they work to stringent EU manufacturing standards. CODAN always print their name on the sidewall so you know it theirs.!! :)

E5 petrol also promotes 'icing up', amongst other issues.
A certain amount of re-jetting of carbs and jiggling of ignition timing helps get the best out of it too. :)
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Post by JonnyCJ » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:55 pm

Sjtw wrote:I had this fitted along with a cutoff solenoid.
Very happy.
http://www.vwaircooledworks.co.uk/Biofu ... ines-.html
Yep - also gone for this.

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Re: VW suppliers selling poor qaulity fuel line, Petition

Post by e m p i » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:48 am

Alex VW Heritage wrote: Our hose is braided line and is rated to deal with E10 Fuel.

5mm:
http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_spares_Fue ... _45515.htm

7mm:
http://www.vwheritage.com/vw_spares_Fue ... 182490.htm
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The only problem with braided line is that you can't actually see the rubber to check if it has deteriorated. Personally I'd steer well clear of it.
I appreciate some folk like things to look OG but who's gonna know the difference when its reduced to a pile of ashes on the floor.

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