South African 1967 Splitscreen

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South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by jacteifievans » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:13 pm

Hi All,

I imported a South African Van from Ireland in March, Its a 1967 Splitscreen. Im hoping to get it booked in for an MOT over the next couple of weeks and get it registered for the UK roads. Unfortunately the M plate and Vin numbe has been removed. South African vw issued a separate VIN number but I'm wondering if theres a way in order to prove the age of the split screen? All i have is the first registered date not the manufactured date?

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Post by vwJim » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:17 am

What's the VIN number?
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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by james309 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:43 am

As Jim says if you could provide this it may give an insight to what's happened, either been scrapped, unpaid licensing or something else.


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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by jacteifievans » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:02 pm

The vin plate was missing, so they gave it a new chassis number which they stamped into the body. The original Vin number is 237124322

On both documents the register number is TPB116C

I have 2 documents with the same vehicle register number TPB116C but one has the vin plate 237124322 And the other has AAPV0531590621099

Thanks for your help

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Post by vwJim » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:12 pm

Who is "they gave it a new chassis number"?
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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by jacteifievans » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:37 pm

I'm not too sure, I was just given both documents by the previous owner

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Post by vwJim » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:46 pm

What model is it?
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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by jacteifievans » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:48 pm

It's a 11 window kombi.


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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by jacteifievans » Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:05 pm

Both certificates of registration in respect of motor vehicle South Africa

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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by vwJim » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:28 am

jacteifievans wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:02 pm
The vin plate was missing, so they gave it a new chassis number which they stamped into the body. The original Vin number is 237124322

On both documents the register number is TPB116C

I have 2 documents with the same vehicle register number TPB116C but one has the vin plate 237124322 And the other has AAPV0531590621099

Thanks for your help
If all the ID was missing from the bus, how do you know 237 124 322 was ever the correct VIN number for sure? If you had photos of the bus on the SA number plates that match some record of that number plate matching 237 124 322 I guess that would help.

237 124 322 does relate to a 67 Bus, but there's no proof it came from your bus, and I've no idea what AAPV0531590621099 means, or where that came from. If your V5 has AAPV0531590621099 on it, and the vehicle is registered with that number then I don't know how you can get a 67 number plate.
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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by miles » Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:35 am

I think you should try and track down some history about this vehicle. Start off with was it imported from Northern Ireland, or Republic of Ireland?
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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by jacteifievans » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:34 am

Thank you for all your help, It was imported from Southern Ireland.

Ill upload pictures of the certificates and everything that i have.


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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by jacteifievans » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:38 am

South African Certificates and Irish Certificates attached
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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by Who.Me? » Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:22 pm

I'm struggling to understand about the VINs. You've said that VW South Africa issued a 'separate VIN', but the SA registration document only states the VIN that you've been told was the original VIN. The Irish DoT document lists a modern alphanumeric VIN. Is that the 'separate VIN' that you said VW SA issued, or did the Irish DoT issue it with a modern VIN?

Is that modern VIN number stamped anywhere anywhere on the vehicle? I've seen pictures on The Samba of Dutch (I think) Beetles that were stamped with new numbers by their DoT when they gave them modern registrations (I guess they had a law-change at some point). Their numbers were stamped as a series of dots, like a dot-matrix printer.

Without a stamped-on VIN that can be authenticated by the country which stamped it, it'll be hard to prove that it's the same vehicle on either of the documents, let alone the year of manufacture. Have you spoken with the DVLA yet? Are they telling you it'll need to go on a 'Q' plate?

I can understand if the DVLA are suspicious. There is nothing other than the date on those two documents that relates them to each other (and without a stamped VIN, nothing to relate them to the vehicle other than your word and the word of the seller). Even the engine number is different.

By way of aging, you could always post some pictures, they would at least show whether it has the right features for a '67, not earlier or later (post-67 Brazilian export to South Africa). I'd try posting the pictures on the Samba too. There are guys on there that know the correct features for each year inside and out.

But even if you got confirmation that it's visually correct for a '67, without the VIN and matching documents, you'll still struggle to prove it. There are post-67 Brazilian splits modified to look like earlier ones. It's just metal. It can be cut and welded.

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Re: South African 1967 Splitscreen

Post by type21f » Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:27 pm

I know nothing.... BUT...
The S.A. plate is on the wheel tubs usually..
Just wondering if it MAY be under any wheel tubs mats...
S.A. fitted their own VIN plates...
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