Propex Heater where do peeps store gas bottle?

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Glug glug glug....
Maybe we should have drilled it somewhere else
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rusty1962 wrote:I haven't looked into this yet but I'm sure that there's a neater solution than a hole and a bit of mesh.

Perhaps in the marine world, where presumably a hole in the floor is not good :lol:
They have side vents that are usually just above water level. The side vent cannot be more that 1" above the base of the tank though. No help in this case.
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There's 2 holes needed to fit the heater itself so i guess another wouldn't do any more damage.
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When you buy the Propex you get a template for drilling the holes.
Devon already had a gas bottle siting on the floor in front of the passenger well arch.
In originslly fitting this to the 1965MY......
Devon actually sculpted/cut the short side VW interior side panel with an intention of letting the camping gas 907 cylinder sit as far over as possible.
This gives the installation over the inner cill floor/ side panel/ floor assembly where there is a dip.
I am less keen to allow gas to settle into this void....
BOOM BOOM..
So although this cut out in the trim panel does help secure/ locate the bottle and aids strapping arrangements.... I have decided I will drill my 1" hole between the propex heater and bottle.
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monkey wrote:
rusty1962 wrote:I haven't looked into this yet but I'm sure that there's a neater solution than a hole and a bit of mesh.

Perhaps in the marine world, where presumably a hole in the floor is not good :lol:
They have side vents that are usually just above water level. The side vent cannot be more that 1" above the base of the tank though. No help in this case.
I was thinking more about the fitting as against the position of the hole.
ToMMo555 seems to have found a solution above ^^^ but I wondered if there may be a chrome or stainless equivalent.

How about a 40mm basin or bath outlet? You could even put the plug in when not in use :lol:
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Well the principle is that butane and propane is heavy and sinks to the flat surface of the floor so this regulation is based on having an escape route close to the tank or heater.
Devon had the gas bottle in the corner with the cooker above the gas bottle which has the on off valve feeds through a rubber hose to the feed pipe into the cooker.
I wanted to use one bottle to supply both cooker and heater so I designed a pipe work set up to feed both with flow valves included. Bottle on off valve into rubber hose to feed pipe work hard connected to propex. There is an outlet to replicate rubber feed to cooker above.

I just tried to add valves to control flow whilst minimising the potential leaks from joints all sits in a similar area under the cooker cabinet.
My hole should be close to bottle....
It will be out of sight anyway...
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My comment of having a hole in the floor with mesh underneath is based on already having my ply floor and tiles down....
A bath sink fitting would work as long as the raised lip was very thin and could be set into the tiles.
Only danger being not leaving the plug in...
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Useful advice here... including a reference to a British Standard document which is not reproduced in the article but can be read at the library.

http://buildacampervan.com/gas-supply/

I'd does give a name to the vent though

A Drop Out Hole..

Ventilation

This is an important subject and the British Standard document has excellent design advice to make sure that your camper is built to safe standards.  LPG is heavier than air if and if it escapes will from in the lowest part of your camper.

The document provides good design advice for cylinder compartments and ventilation, or drop out holes as they are known, to allow any leaked gas to escape.  Provision for gas drop-out should also be included for areas where leaked gas would collect.  LPG would collect in a similar way to water so imagine where water would congregate if a leak occurred.  Mesh should be used under a drop out hole to prevent vermin entering your camper.  Some people we know have also made deflectors that stop wind and rain entering the drop out holes whilst driving.

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Useful advice here... including a reference to a British Standard document which is not reproduced in the article but can be read at the library.

http://buildacampervan.com/gas-supply/

I'd does give a name to the vent though

A Drop Out Hole..

Ventilation

This is an important subject and the British Standard document has excellent design advice to make sure that your camper is built to safe standards.  LPG is heavier than air if and if it escapes will from in the lowest part of your camper.

The document provides good design advice for cylinder compartments and ventilation, or drop out holes as they are known, to allow any leaked gas to escape.  Provision for gas drop-out should also be included for areas where leaked gas would collect.  LPG would collect in a similar way to water so imagine where water would congregate if a leak occurred.  Mesh should be used under a drop out hole to prevent vermin entering your camper.  Some people we know have also made deflectors that stop wind and rain entering the drop out holes whilst driving.
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Suddenly I have bi polar and have become anonymous too...
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So a nice brass basin waste, which won't rust, with a strainer in the bottom to stop mice getting in and possibly a plug, for periods when not in use and bottle removed? Deflector is a good idea.

I like the idea of being able to stand the bottle outside at times, whilst camping, as I would have a "T" piece to supply my Cadac BBQ from the same bottle. I can then run the supply hose up through the drop out hole, with bottle and regulator outside, which also removes three possible leakage points from inside the vehicle.

The reason for the hole is to let gas escape that has leaked from the joints........regulator to bottle, regulator to pipe, pipe to fitting and so on. Minimising the amount of joints is key and it's better to solder the joints as compression joints can become loose over time.

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Does the heater not need to be positioned Horizontally?

Ive read the instructions but its as clear as mud !!!
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Well As far as I am aware the heater is OK in that plane...
It has been fitted there by many Devon owners...and works fine..
From my perspective that is horizontal...
I have looked at the Installtion instruction and I think (my opinion) is that the illustration shows the heater unit in a horizontal plane as opposed to a vertical plane...so that any heating effects go uprds in the unit..
as oppoed to if you put it vertical?

I could not actually read the word horizontal anywhere on my quick scan.
I have seen many in exactly the same position on the "heel board".
I am happy with what we have done.. It works well without any adverse heating effects to unit or surrouning panel work and the output then blows along the floor.
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Cheers for info
type21f wrote:Well As far as I am aware the heater is OK in that plane...
It has been fitted there by many Devon owners...and works fine..
From my perspective that is horizontal...
I have looked at the Installtion instruction and I think (my opinion) is that the illustration shows the heater unit in a horizontal plane as opposed to a vertical plane...so that any heating effects go uprds in the unit..
as oppoed to if you put it vertical?

I could not actually read the word horizontal anywhere on my quick scan.
I have seen many in exactly the same position on the "heel board".
I am happy with what we have done.. It works well without any adverse heating effects to unit or surrouning panel work and the output then blows along the floor.
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