Usual word of warning!!

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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by matt d » Thu May 15, 2014 9:17 pm

Sweet Rides wrote:ATT BLEEDING MOODY - REALLY IMPORTANT WARNING REGARDING THE R9 HOSE THAT YOU HAVE JUST FITTED!!!

I fitted this exact hose in september of last year. Bought as a kit from Halfords, looks identical to the stuff you have just fitted.

Was checking my bus over today as was having some tickover issues (non related to fuel lines) but whist there I noticed the R9 fuel line I fitted in September 13 was totally shot! I couldn`t belive what I was seeing - heavily perished and deeply cracked fuel line just waiting to fully split open at any scecond. 8O :evil:

Will be avoidng this stuff in the future! Now looking at that expensive stuff from vwaircooledworks.co.uk suitable for modern ethanol based fuels (he claims this is what is fitted to brand new Vw`s) at £42.50 for a 1.5meter kit it`s not cheap - but if it actually does what it says on the tin then it has to be worth 10 times that initial cost to any of us.

Link - http://www.vwaircooledworks.co.uk/Biofu ... ines-.html (Scroll down to bottom of page for the "ethanol resistant fuel hose" at £42.50 for the single carb kit)

I think that`s what I`m going to order unless I can find anything even better over the next couple of days.

You are now our official tester, congratulations. Please let us know how you get on :D
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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by Waterttoair » Fri May 16, 2014 1:53 pm

If it's the same stuff as they( VWACW )sell in ebay it's still R9!
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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by Bleedingmoody » Fri May 16, 2014 2:52 pm

Will be good to see how you get on with it. I purchased my r9 stuff from machine 7 I think I might send an email to make sure they still think it's ok.
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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by rabbitracinguk » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:51 pm

Hello.

First post here and this topic stood out to me.
Thought I would share my story and how I have figured this out.
ANY rubber hose is dire in my experience. Even those here that have said they've had failures with R9. With the cost of these vans and how much we spend, I would be looking at something else.

In MSA racing, there is a rule that states that any flexible hose longer than 6inches has to be stainless over-braided...
Now my issue with ANY over-braid is that the first you know that the rubber has perished is the wet braid. This is NOT COOL!.
At least with the R9 type stuff, you can do a quick health check (bend it slightly to check for cracks..) before you set off. But regs are regs, and I had to sort something out.

So during my hunt for fancy red/blue aeroquip fittings to plumb my fuel and oil on the 2276, I discovered PTFE / Teflon hoses.

This is a hard PTFE inner with a Kevlar / Stainless overbraid. You choose. But basically this stuff is good for Hydraulics, (if you run a high pressure Fuel Injection. ) but also it will run Race Fuel and Ethanol without perishing.

It's that good, that it's MSA approved in Rally cars to be run INSIDE the cockpit. This is one of those rules that is normally a massive NO NO. NO FUEL LINES IN THE CAR... But this stuff is that good.

It is more expensive, (upwards of £10 per meter) but not a whole heap when you factor in the cost of relentlessly replacing rubber hose because you've had it a yr and don't want it starting a fire. That R9 stuff is not cheap either.

Now Granted, it's meant to be used with the AN / JIC style fittings, but this is not mandatory. If you have the right size hardline or (PTFE hose that matches your hardline..) and a good fuel clip it's fine. My engine is all AN style fittings but my hardline from the tank is just a hard line so one end that feeds the Fuel Reg is mounted with a Hose Clip.
Tho spending out on the AN Fittings has saved my life many a time. When I'm taking the engine out, or carbs off, I'm not having to constantly fight a hose stuck on a barb. I just use the wrench and refit it. Plus the fittings are reusable if you do end up replacing the hose.

I am using 8mm hardline so I purchased AN6 Hose. But it can be in smaller sizes.

I'm not affiliated with anyone so am not selling this to you (Even tho it sounds like an advert and this is my first post! :D ) , I'm trying to save your necks and frustrations here. I saw the topic and had to pipe up. (no pun intended)
Buy from your own preferred supplier.
You can buy it from Earls etc, or like I did, from http://www.torques.co.uk

Teflon Products

If it's good enough to satisfy an MSA Scrutineer then I'd say it's gonna be WAY ok for your street car. :D

If anyone wants to see this stuff I can get some photos of a few spare bits I have and also the install on the car.

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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by Claushema » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:57 pm

Think I'll get to changing over all my fuel lines right away. After reading this ,not going to put it off any longer. Thanks for the motivation!


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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by Max Last » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:28 pm

I have always tried to change my fuel lines each winter since having my bus, I bought the machine7 bundle each time, last year I checked the fuel lines but never got round to actually changing them, finally last weekend I got round to it, the r9 stuff I took off has been on for at least 22 months, possibly more, everything that came off was fine, it showed no signs of cracking/perishing. I normally use supermarket fuel although some folks advise that it can be a bit ropey, I guess its still better quality than what was available when splits were new. So to sum up, I`ve fitted the r9 bundle from m7 again, as always I check the engine bay before starting up the bus so it`ll be under observation too!
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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by AnGeL » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:41 pm

Just to add to this thread and to the above comment about supermarket fuel......

My father-in-law drives for a company that operate artic fuel tankers, which pick up from Tilbury docks' fuel terminals and distribute petrol and diesel etc to petrol stations, farms, factories and haulage yards etc.

90(odd)% of the fuel that we put into our cars from UK forecourts comes from the same storage tanks, the only exception being Esso and Shell as they have their own additives (Tiger juice and ground up sea shells apparently) and thus have their own storage tanks. EVERYTHING else comes from the same tanks and gets transported to every other destination. Supermarket fuel is no worse / better than buying from BP, Jet etc or even Esso or Shell if you take the additive out.

Well, I thought it was interesting anyway and (possibly) does away with a myth.......


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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by Netty » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:16 pm

Have had vwaircooledworks fuel lines fitted for two years now and still look brand new :) after a very near disaster with split braided fuel line, over hot manifold !!! It's nice that you get a good product and also piece of mind when fitted with the fire extinguisher kit like we have. Lovely people to do business with and I think their product lines are worth every penny, as for the backup and advice they also give, second to none.


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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by russvw66 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:40 pm

HI I have had the same problem with fuel lines. I think the problem is the intense heat inside the engine bay , the heating up
and cooling down the fuel lines can't help. its different in other modern cars they have cooling fans and more space in the engine
compartment to get rid of the heat. Most of the leeks are around the joins ,forcing on the fuel line onto the rat tail fitting can't help
as well as the sharp bends we place on the fuel line and crap jubilee clips all take their toll. I have been toying with the idea to run a solid break pipe
line system on my van and put a loop in the line where the line comes through the bulk head to allow any engine movement.
At present I have a twin 40 Dellorto set up with a faucet fuel pump and a pressure regulator system.
My idea is from the fuel tank fit a glass fuel filter make a slot in the bulk head to allow the pipe to come through put a couple
of loops in it then onto the faucet fuel pump then to the pressure regulator. Now the tricky bit another loop before connecting
to the dellorto carbs . Seems a good idea in principal bit only a mad Scotsman would think of an idea like this.

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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by vwJim » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:07 pm

Most of the cracked R9 fuel hose I see is either non branded or poorly installed.

Never use over braided hose as it hides the failure.
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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by russvw66 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:08 pm

Hi have had the same problem with fuel lines . I think a few things add to this problem, the intense heat created in the engine bay
the sharp edges in the rat tail fittings and the crap jubilee hose clips. In modern cars they have a fan cooling the engine and their
is more area around the engine to cool down than in the engine bay.

whats the best hose clips to use instead of the jubilee clips

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Re: Usual word of warning!!

Post by floyd1969 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:37 pm

whats the best hose clips to use instead of the jubilee clips
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crimp on fuel line clips are good but can only be used once , they have rounded edges so don't cut into the hose .

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